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Thursday, June 29, 2023

Continued dart evaluations, preliminary full length vs. short comparisons: Sureshot blue tip, DZP/AF Max, Accutip, waffle tip (Ekind 06-23)

This is going to be a long one, but it ultimately makes sense to put all this data in one post, and it will be seen why. As such, I will keep review commentary on the darts a bit terse.

More after the jump, but here's (for reference) the Sureshot green tip group from last time:

Friday, June 23, 2023

After action report: Reddit

OK, I’ll admit it: this title is a bit dramatic. Reddit isn’t dead. There’s a significant distance left in the enshittification pipeline between where it is now and where we start organizing a funeral. 

But - we don’t do after action reports exclusively on dead blasters, do we? An AAR comes after the close of a game or two or however much use leads to lessons worth posting. That is the spirit in which this is intended: we’re at the end of an era. The reactions back-and-forth between Reddit admins and users following the recent API changes have revealed things that cannot be unseen. Reddit admins can no longer be trusted. The forums of old were resilient because they were distributed and compartmentalized. If one went down, there were others. If one became crappy, we could vote with our feet. Centralization on Reddit brought us convenience at the cost of that resilience - a mistake which it is hopefully not to late to reverse. 

That centralization happened for reasons: there are things that Reddit did right and so there are lessons to be learned from it; lessons which may be vital in creating a non-Reddit renaissance. 

(I’ll spoil the conclusion of the post, which is that I’m cautiously optimistic about the Reddit alternative Lemmy. I expect to see a migration to some combination of old forums, discord, FB, and possibly Lemmy. I hope to see that migration go more towards old forums and Lemmy - but before we get to that, let’s cover what made Reddit great.)

Thursday, June 22, 2023

Test/Review: Prime Time Sureshot green tip, red foam ("chili"/"diamond")

This dart has been known variously around the NIC as "chili" or "green[/red] diamond". It is the second on the market of Prime Time (Dart Zone, Adventure Force)'s two offerings of structured-absorber/honeycomb style darts with full-caliber tips under the Sureshot branding - the first being the blue layered tip dart with (usually) lime green foam that is more commonplace and definitely more well documented.



I have been meaning to look into these for a while, partially because there is a distinct lack of information on them.

Edit: 06-23-23 Fix typos and formatting



I'll get to doing similar writeups for the blue tip Sureshot and a couple batches of waffle and accutip soon enough.

Monday, June 19, 2023

Coming Unglued

Problems with the glue used to mount tips to foam on cheap bulk darts such as waffle, accutip/whirlwind, etc. are familiar in the hobby, as are seeing darts decapitated on firing, darts exploding on impact with hard targets, and finding handfuls of disassembled dart components on a field during sweeps. Those of us who have been around more than a few years have been lamenting and lambasting dart assembly quality for probably their whole nerfing career. Even these days, with better glued options on the market, waffle and accutip continue to be staples of most any field and can be normally observed in action (decaps included) at anything from a small local HvZ to a league-aligned comp match.

For some background, this disassembled accutip dart is typical of how all the "usual suspect" Chinese vendors assemble darts:


Problem zero is that this is CA glue - which is NOT the right product to assemble darts with. It is far too rigid when cured, and makes for a brittle bond. Although the CA itself may not break or debond from the foam or rubber, its inflexibility causes the joint to be unable to redistribute stress, and the foam just adjacent to the glue rips easily. CA also wicks into the cell structure of foam, which has the effect (after curing) of making the foam crunchy and brittle adjacent to the bond when it is used on the cut end.

Problem one is that adhesive is applied only (and usually very sparingly) to the tip core, and none to the rear surface of the tip where it seats on the foam end. This is the elephant in the room here, some readers may know why. For now though, here's an example that barely had any bond area at all.


And hence, the old flywheeler's vexation, decaps.

For much of the superstock/onward era (2012-present, more or less), these dodgy CA-glued darts have been just a given we all had to contend with, and something we designed around - based on the prevalence of these darts, in stock, un-reglued form, for community bins and private supplies as the thing that enabled the entire hobby to scale up in game size and volume of fire in the first place. The measure of true merit for any flywheel system was how much energy it could put out without being too brutal on darts to be welcome to feed off a community bin. That, incidentally, underlied the Hy-Con of the era, and consequently (and directly as well) Daybreak, a system that somewhat spiritually succeeded Eclipse, which was somewhat maligned and targeted by bans in its day for how harsh it was on ammo.

More recently but still years AKA eons ago in nerf time, some more tightly hobby-aligned, vertically integrated dart vendors stepped up to the plate on the glue matter with properly glued hobby darts using elastomeric adhesives just like Hasbro. Mostly... that's Prime Time (DZP/AF). A lot of nerfers have probably just dumped bulk darts and changed suppliers to Prime Time, Worker et al., and hence are now wondering why I am posting about a problem that is in the past.

Well, the lesson to be learned is not in the past. Neither are the darts, necessarily; but we'll get to that.

A look at what is going on with these "glue on core only" assembly jobs:


Yeah that seems like it would make for awesome flywheeler internal ballistics, right...

It's not like this is new knowledge at all - dart tips that aren't glued to the end face to the foam have been known to cause flywheel blasters issues ever since the era of clone Streamlines and later, ACC darts.

It's just that up to this point, it has been assumed that this isn't a major problem for tips like the waffle, the accutip, the Sureshot, the Mengun, the brick/stagger tip, and so on. They still shoot fine, right. Right.

Mostly.

Well, I was chasing 2 issues. One, at the last game I played, I had a lot of ...questionable ballistics. My full length 9.0 rigs with these offending darts incidentally did about the same on range, drop and group size when fired side by side with other flywheelers at the event using the ammo their owners fed them (Banned Blasters flywheels Gryphon, one of those beta Gavinfuzzy SBF things, full length and short FDL3 builds, etc.) but still I could tell something was Not Right and they were just shooting kinda dirty and under the weather. There wasn't a chrono onsite so I couldn't ascertain what velocity was doing under site conditions, but I was spamming at people I should have picked right off. I chalked it up to imagination, or me being mad rusty after being on hiatus for a while, or that using black darts was a terrible idea that makes it harder to see your "tracers" fly and compensate when there is any wind, but doubt remained that something untoward was going on with my setup that day.

Two, I was trying to use these pictured batch of black foam accutip darts in some chrono sessions with T19s for a project to be discussed later, and holy crap, they DO shoot like garbage and I was not imagining things. I had strings of dud shots down in the 140s, 150s, 160s from a 9.0 cage at 25k, stuff going sideways as soon as it cleared the muzzle, and ...well, my other 2 batches of waffles and accus misbehaved the same way. Swapped blasters: Same results. What on earth is going on???

Granted, the weather during all of the above was typically 90-96 degrees Fahrenheit, near 100% humidity, and that may well be WHY this started manifesting so severely after having eluded notice for so long (part of it is also that I never actually used non-reglued bulks as a chrono or ballistic testing standard because of the decap rate expected of such darts, which was a problem I was willing to accept for the cost), but this brought to light the magnitude of this problem.


That problem.

In the end, I got my data. I disassembled the problem darts, reglued them with Plumber's Goop (Amazing Goop, whatever Goop, all the same stuff, all a great dart adhesive and similar to what the first rate vendors use), let cure, and what do you know, they shoot lasers. Velocity was back up to nominal (hanging just under 190fps on an old 9.5 gun), the velocity spread was somewhere around +/-3 fps typical - might note, with reused darts too - and there was zero doubt in my mind about how those two 9.0 blasters were running anymore once I fed them some.

Conclusion


It's not just decaps that are at stake with dodgy assembly of darts, as everyone (including me) tended to think for years. It does, or at least can with the wrong batch of darts and conditions, seriously screw with the internal ballistics of flywheel blasters whether or not any tips come off at all.

The old wisdom from the "ACCurate" dart + Rapidstrike = squib/fail observations (where simply regluing the dart removes the problem, as if by magic) still holds. It holds even for full-caliber tips, like waffles and accutips. The tip needs to have a moment connection to the foam.

That is what it is - A moment connection. You can tell instantly by just touching/feeling the reglued dart - bonding that region makes the whole front of the dart much sturdier and stiffer. Glue on just the core is not that. The compound used to make rubber tips is very elastic, and the tip is basically held on by a rubberband and can flap about loosely, for blasting purposes. Likely, the tip is tilting due to an imbalance of initial friction forces for whatever unavoidable reason, being forced through the rest of the contact zone at an angle, and then getting wedged into the control bore wall incurring severe losses - but I would need high speed video equipment to catch the failure mechanism in the act.

Ramifications


Well, for one thing, bulk darts that haven't been reglued are never getting fielded by me again. It's at this point that I realize that in a lot of everyday game scenarios where I choose cheap darts to burn (for not wanting to use any of my reglued, handpicked or expensive good stuff) I have likely been at least intermittently down on performance, in addition to just chopping frequently.

For another, this all with realizing these to be basically unfit for purpose has exposed the fact that designing flywheel systems around not "instakilling" non-reglued bulk darts of this sort, the kind with a tiny smidge of superglue on just the core ...is a legacy idea that is very much no longer relevant to modern NIC. "Why not more crush?" Well, why not more crush? I think I'll experiment with more crush.

Are bulk darts obsolete? I wouldn't say so, at all. It would be different if the same products were available with better glue, but Prime Time's two Sureshot tips are not (pending testing/data on the green tip/red foam dart, that I have coming to do just that) quite heavy enough to be a true range-maintaining replacement for waffle and accustrike. The blue tip Sureshot (1.0g) is definitely just not heavy enough and too droppy for outdoor work. Same, incidentally, with most of the sub-caliber springer tips, which are also expensive and have given me some questionable results concerning inaccuracy of reused darts, high foam wear rate on flywheel and other factors.