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Sunday, May 31, 2026

Ammo Test: Lififun "1.4g" (sub-cal solid dome) tip, as full length

I saw this dart on the Jungle Site and a random mention of it having glue issues on reddit. Ooooohh, 1.4g, as short? I bought some to refoam the tips as longs (and properly glued obviously) - unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be factory available with long foam, at least not under this brand (though it's a "Haosen Toys" OEM dart apparently and I THINK one of those Worker[whatever] reseller sites has this tip as a premade long, investigation pending on that and those).

 


The foam I used came from disassembling all of those left over crappy Nitroshot darts from the case I bought to test them in the last post. Nitroshit? Nitroshart. Either is more apt for them, lol. But the foam is fine, and the harvesting was easy. The color goes with the tips (Which are a color-code for mass with the Lififuns similar to Workers; whites are lights, purples are standards and pinks are heavies).
 
Whereas the harvesting was NOT easy for the Lififun tips out of the factory foam. The glue was not as insufficient as the reddit post suggested, though it was CA glue and applied only on the core yet again - with most dart tips you can just yank. With these, the compound and the core design mean that if you try that, the core snaps off flush in the foam just under the head. D'ohhh!! A well used razorblade proved the best tool (slit the foam, then peel it away from the core with the edge)

As-built masses as long:

1.55g
1.52g
1.52g
1.54g
1.55g
 
--Dude. That is SWEET.


Chrono, 9.0 T19, fps:

162
157
156
154
162
163
161
159
168
159
161

So yeah, that's quite low for ultrastock ...but that's just velocity. For energy, it's the same as 1.0g at 200fps, but it certainly has more range and retains more energy at range than that (say, same T19 shooting green tip Sureshots, or competitor's DC standard format super high crush daybreakoid blaster shooting something with a short foam) with all that sectional density.

Plus this like the Worker Gen3 test a while back is putting a sub-cal through an ammo agnostic 9.0mm gap system. With what I have coming, this issue of being concerned about the sub-cals losing a margin of grip over full-caliber tips is likely about to get obviated though. And no, the ammo-agnostic-ness is not changing to result in that. Dream bigger.

But overall the velocity tracks as expected. It's consistent, didn't have anything aberrant happen. I was probably overspeeding somewhat here given the lower critical velocity with the rebated tips and all the mass, this was at 25.5 and I didn't dial it in for this test. Might cut velocity spread down a bit and pick a few fps up.

 

Dispersion did OK. Shooting from farther away than my mark, I realized.

 

I like these, will definitely make more and am definitely hoping for them as a factory long, they run well, and damn do they retain energy downrange and hit hard. I really want to field these now, I know they will enable some crazy tags.

Ammo Test: Prime Time/Dart Zone Nitroshot (full length) Dart - NO GO/Incompatible with tightbore pro flywheelers

This is a somewhat recent dart from PT/DZ as part of the "Nitroshot" blaster line.

Interestingly - this clearly isn't the thematically purple foamed Green Tip Sureshot that would have been expected for a flywheel-optimized, full-caliber tipped, long, dart to go with the new line.

Nor is it, the same thing as the factory SHORT Nitroshot dart (which is a Max tip with a bambooed foam), But Long (and not bambooed would be most appropriate). That would also have been just as logical.

Why the hell it isn't EITHER ONE of these two things, I don't know; and as we will find out the hard way, it would have been infinitely preferable for it to be either of those options.

 

Mass as supplied:

1.06g

1.06g

1.09g

1.08g

1.08g

 

Unconfined foam OD (basic foam quality sanity-check): minimum 12.73mm, maximum 12.95mm - K

 

A qualitative glue test immediately pegs these as having overall weak tip bonding as delivered. The glue is a rubberized solvent based cement type, and the application is good and gets coverage on that foam/tip end face contact area that I am always a stickler about being unbonded on cheap darts and causing issues, but the combination of a sorry weak glue product that feels like rubber-cement with the very short core on this tip results in an easily decapitated assembly. Similar to the blue tip Sureshot.


So before we get to, trying to (um;) chrono and group test these, it's apt to discuss the tip construction. 


This is a Streamline/Elite/Voberry style design, where the energy absorber is a hollow dome, molded as an open-ended rubber cup and glued to a "squib" (Hasterminology, from a press release in 2012 about the Elite) which has the tip core and forms the seating portion of the tip.

Interestingly, this incorporates a feature theorycrafted in the dark ages of superstock back when there was still a persisting myth about the vent hole in the side of Elite and Streamline domes causing asymmetric drag and hence veering (spoiler alert: it got proven negligible with CFD, the problems of those darts were all mass distribution) - Venting the hollow dome tip through a hollow tip core and down the inside of the foam. Gee, did the trolls from the HvZ Forums grow up to work for Prime Time?? --Eh, it's not a bad idea, but it would have ...interesting ramifications of tip swell on firing when used in a barrel (this type of dart is often used in stock style, pushback breech springers as well as flywheelers).

The squib is higher durometer than the dome, but it is not rigid. It is no harder than the higher duro batches of waffle tips are in their entirety for instance. There have been a lot of remarks about a "stiff disc" in this tip causing issues with flywheelability and comparisons to those disc-sandwich style tips (X-Shot Excels and so on) for a superficial resemblance and feel; well, in fact it's neither that stiff nor is it a disc. It's just an exposed little edge of the squib portion, at the step that the dome registers on.

The dome incorporates a couple design features to maximize its mass and move the mass distribution forward without also maximizing its stiffness. The front wall has an isolated very thickened section; the OD is near cylindrical with a sharp front edge (wadcutter); the walls which produce most of the deformability taper up in thickness toward the front. All good principle.

 

And now on the note of good principle, it's time for things to go horribly south.

These are some examples of the carnage extracted from the malfunctioned test victim T19 after particularly unsuccessful attempts to fire these.


Note that these particular darts were from a number that were reglued and retested, and one on the left is one of several fitted with a different foam for what it's worth, but to NO avail whatsoever. 

No actual chrono data and no dispersion data was collected. Out of a mag of chrono shots, I recorded 178, 190, 152, 150 and 159 fps from "successful" shots, with the balance being squibs, shots which exited in a downright sideways attitude with very little energy, and shots which farted out and landed on the ground a foot away. Stability/dispersion outcomes from the few successful shots were highly promising, however.

So; from these vaporized tails and backed up by the other less dramatic squibs, sideways exit shots and extreme energy loss shots, what we have going on here is a nasty case of self-locking/self-wedging tip contact with ballistic path geometry. Given the nature and dimensions of the tip, the culprit is almost certainly the dome swelling in OD as it compresses axially - inertially upon firing, or upon incidental bore wall contact where the dome is "dragged" a little - it squishes, thus causing the sidewall to bulge outward, causing even more adverse contact and more compression, thus more swelling and more friction and so on. The 14mm control bore in the Hy-Con cage being the obvious trouble site where the very cylindrical and very full-caliber dome readily wedges and gets stuck. Stream/lites don't have this issue, but it's obvious why; their domes are tapered on the OD and shorter.

This is clearly one of the worst and most abject failure outcomes I have had evaluating a dart in 16 years of nerfing. A full-caliber tip with this characteristic of significantly expanding radially under compression takes tightly constrained flywheelers off the board, or more correctly takes this dart off the board for credible hobby grade flywheeling. For that matter it is probably liable to be a malfunction and degraded internal ballistics contributor in all sorts of things, even open bore cages and low performance BIB breech springers, because any kind of brush up against oncoming or sideswiping geometry nearby could result in some degree of grabby action. More than anything I don't see what this dart tip and its return to the generally obsolete multipart hollow dome construction is intended to achieve, particularly against Sureshot green tip, Sureshot blue tip, or the Max tip used on the short "version of this dart" all of which were prior existing products already in production. Or what/who the hell this product is actually meant for. It's probably the least barrel-compatible "streamline" tip ever, and the Sureshots are both far more flywheelable.

Worse yet, is that green tip Sureshot seems to have gone out of production DUE TO or been SUPERCEDED BY this product, according to some UPC-reuse observations at least.

Do better, DZ. You really dropped the ball on this one.